Jason Duncan: Exit Without Exiting, Scaling Beyond Yourself & Freedom in Business | Ep56

Jason Duncan is the Founder & CEO of The Exiter Club, a mastermind designed to help high-level entrepreneurs break free from the grind and scale their businesses. He is the best-selling author of Exit Without Exiting and the host of The Root of All Success podcast. Known as America’s Exit Coach, Jason specializes in helping entrepreneurs step away from daily operations without losing ownership or profits.

Jason’s mission is to help entrepreneurs build businesses around their lives, not the other way around. Using his #ExitWithoutExiting strategy and XOS™ Method, he helps business owners create systems that allow their businesses to thrive independently, giving them more time for what matters most. Clients who follow Jason’s methods have reduced work hours by 30%, increased productivity by 80%, and boosted business value by 30%.

Featured in Inc. and Entrepreneur magazines, Jason has become a recognized expert in helping entrepreneurs scale their businesses while achieving true autonomy and freedom.

In this episode of the Successful Spiritualpreneur Podcast, Christian sits down with Jason Duncan—entrepreneur, bestselling author of Exit Without Exiting, and founder of The Exiter Club, a mastermind for high-level business owners. Known as America’s Exit Coach, Jason helps entrepreneurs reclaim their time and freedom by creating companies that thrive without depending on the founder.

If you’re a spiritual entrepreneur seeking more freedom, a business owner ready to scale beyond yourself, or someone curious about integrating purpose and profit, this episode delivers powerful lessons, practical strategies, and inspiration to design a business—and a life—that truly serves you.

Connect with Jason Duncan:

Follow on Instagram: @therealjasonduncan

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The Exiter Club: https://www.theexiterclub.com/

Get his book Exit Without Exiting: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BW37KXF9/

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• Spiritual entrepreneurship 
• Entrepreneurial journey
• “Exit Without Exiting” method
• Scaling without selling
• Mindset shifts for entrepreneurs
• Building businesses
• Legacy, inspiration, and spiritual perspective

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Christian
What's up, beautiful people. This is Christian from the Successful Spiritualpreneur Podcast. And today I'm super excited to have Jason Duncan on the show. He is the founder and CEO of the Exiter Club, a mastermind designed to help high level entrepreneurs break free from the grind and scale the businesses. He's also the best selling author of Exit Without Exiting and the host of the Root of All Success podcast.

Known as America's exit coach, Jason specializes in helping entrepreneurs step away from daily operations without losing ownership or profits. Jason's mission is to help entrepreneurs build businesses around their lives, not the other way around. And he does that with using his strategy and XOS method. He helps business owners create systems that allow their business to thrive independently. Clients who follow Jason's methods have reduced work hours by 30%, Increased productivity by 80 % and boosted business value by 30 % as well. Welcome to the show, Jason.

Jason Duncan
Glad to be here Christian. Thanks

Christian
Yes, honored to have you on. My first question ⁓ to you would be what because, I think you're such a great embodiment of a spiritualpreneur, whether you call yourself like that or no, I think, you know, you might be a little bit more entrepreneurial than spiritual, but, know, oftentimes these values are quite connected and it might not be that apparent to people. But what's your definition of a spiritualpreneur?

Jason Duncan
You know, thought about this getting ready for today's show and it's an interesting phrase, spiritual entrepreneur, because I look at myself as someone who has known Jesus in my entire life. My parents raised me in the church and there's never been a moment where that wasn't part of my reality.

And part of what I embrace in my faith. So for me being spiritual and specifically being a follower of Christ has been part of my journey all through my life, whether I was in ministry work, which I did for a while, whether I was in school teaching, running traditional businesses or now as a mastermind leader, coach, author and podcaster. So for me being an entrepreneur and also being spiritual, just kind of, they just intertwined and there is not a separation. It's kind of like this idea.

that I disagree with work life balance. I don't use that phrase because I think work is part of life. And so there's no balance between something that's already part of the thing that you're talking about. ⁓ so I believe the same thing about spiritual entrepreneur for me, I am spiritual and I'm an entrepreneur. So to me they're, they're one in the same because of who I am as an individual.

Christian
Yeah, I love that. I think a lot of times people, you know, they try to pull things apart. You know, it's like in science, you try to split off the atom or you try to split off the work and the life and the spiritual from the entrepreneur. But ultimately we're like a spiritual being in a human body. Right. So we're trying like it works. We're one, we're connected. Like everything's connected. You know, we always try to like human beings to like, again, split everything up. But I think the beauty comes from me and when we actually start to accept our internal fullness and create from that space. And I feel you've done that in your life so elegantly. So tell us a little bit more about your journey, like how you are where you are, what were maybe some classes you've taken. This was one situation that I liked that really determined the trajectory of where I am right now.

And just maybe a little milestone journey for us.

Jason Duncan
I started off my career in really my senior year of high school then all through college and for the next decade as a as a minister as a vocational minister working as a pastor in churches. And that was what I believed at the time was my calling what I wanted to do in life and I did and I enjoyed it until I didn't and there was time to get out. That's like I can't do this anymore.

So I went back to college. got a master's in education and started teaching school because I wanted to still make a difference. I loved teaching. I loved being around people and I wanted to do something that where I could have good influence on people. But you know, I didn't want to babysit adults who should know better. So teaching eighth grade American history was the thing I chose to do and I fell in love with that Christian. I loved doing it and I would still be doing it today except for the fact that the budget cuts in my district.

required them to cut teaching positions in every building. And I was the last guy hired in my building. And so I was on the chopping block. didn't matter that I was a very good teacher, had the highest test scores in all of the County for my subject matter, but that's how they made the decision. So that was a huge, ⁓ it was a terrible day when I got that news and my contract was not going to be renewed. And what I thought was terrible ended up leading me to become an entrepreneur. And I,

Ultimately, it wasn't an immediate decision, but ultimately decided to start a business. And that business, you know, I went from unemployed school teacher to millionaire in just a few short years. And that journey was pretty amazing. And then in 2019, 2020, I decided to make a step out of running my business that had grown, had been a very successful business to move into more of the coaching aspect because I really missed teaching. missed guiding. I miss working with people.

Um, more than just selling products and services. wanted to work with people and I started the mastermind, the Exiter club, and we launched in October of 2021 and we had our first meeting officially in January of 2022 and it has been the joy of my life. It's kind of the culmination of everything I've done. mean, I get to use and exercise some of my pastoral gifts. Um, although it's not a Christian mastermind, I do not, I do not promote it as such.

But I also get to use my teaching gifts and then I get to use all of the experience that I had from starting that business. And I really, I've started 14 companies. So I've got this opportunity to, tap into all the experiences of my life and do exactly what I believe that God put me on this earth to do. And that's what I'm doing right now.

Christian
Wow. Yeah, and

just for you know the listeners who aren't as familiar with you know what your businesses were like what was the first one you really was like your first big ones you're like I really like made it with that one and then what were the industries just so we can get a little bit of like a ⁓ gauge and okay which what you're familiar with what industries you've worked in

Jason Duncan
Well, the true story is back in 1995, I got married in May of that year and I was a part-time youth minister at a church that year. And I wasn't making that much money. I think $1,200 a month is all it was making. so I needed to supplement my income and I went to this conference on how to make money from home. And I ended up leaving that conference with the idea to start a business and I started a business.

Designing websites of all things in 1995. If you think about the timing of that, the world wide web was a baby. It was brand new. Most people didn't know what a website was. They hadn't heard of the internet, didn't know what it was. So I started that, but I wasn't an entrepreneur. I wasn't a business owner. I was just doing it at a sheer desperation to make money. It lasted maybe six months. It was, it was my first foray into business ownership, but not really because I didn't have enough maturity or knowledge to understand what the heck I was doing. Now I didn't attempt again.

to start any other business until 2010. And in 2010, a friend of mine came to me. I was teaching school quite happily and a friend of mine said, Hey, let's start this company. I've got an idea to do hydrogen generators for cars. And I like, what are you nuts? Like, I don't know anything about this. This is insane to me, but he convinced me to do it. And we started the company and it was interesting. I was still teaching with no intent to ever leave. And then that following spring is when I found out my contract was not going to get renewed. And

We had the company, it was running, it wasn't making any money and we had already set everything up. The LLC was set up. had, we, had a presence online, not very good, but we had a presence and I thought, well, how can I, how can I make money with this? If I don't have a teaching job, how do I make money with this? Cause this hydrogen thing won't work. And that's when I decided to, to, to pivot the company into led lighting. So at the time it was brand new. Nobody really knew much about the led lighting. So we got into it early.

And we rode that wave and created, like I said, a multimillion dollar company. And then since then I've started funding companies and real estate investing companies, hard money lending companies, ⁓ e-commerce. I've done a little bit of all those things. But, but today, you know what I'm running and that's been 90 % of my, my time on is my, my company, the Exiter club. And I just work with my clients.

Christian
Very cool. Let's say there's someone in the audience that is around 35, 40, and their district has a budget cut. God bless the budget cuts. imagine, like, what would you, like, I don't know, like, where would you tell people to start? Like, let's say they're a teacher or somewhere out there and working nine to five and they're just getting laid off 35, 40 years old, like, how would you guide them?

Jason Duncan
Well, every every person's situation is different. I mean at the time for me, my wife was working full time ⁓ at a financial advisory firm and we were making collectively, I think between the two of us, maybe 80 grand a year. So we really weren't making that much money. But she was making probably a little more than half of that than I was. I think I was making 38 grand a year as a teacher.

And we had two kids, we had a mortgage, we had a couple of car payments, maybe a credit card, I think some student loan debt left over. So we were living the normal American life. We weren't hand to mouth. We weren't paycheck. Well, I guess technically we're paycheck to paycheck. We couldn't miss many, but we were okay. Well, when that happened, I had to make a decision like as the provider for the family, I need to make sure I made enough money for that. So.

I can't in a vacuum say, if you're 35, 40 years old and you get laid off, here's what you should do because I don't know what your situation is. If you have no debt, no family, no nothing like that, what I would tell that person to do is very, very different than what I would tell somebody in my situation where you got a family and kids. I think playing it safe is a little, a little better and more practical and probably serves your family better than just going off the deep end. Now I happened to have, when I started the company, I had a cushion.

of income coming in from the state because my last paycheck wasn't going to be until August 15th. So I made a decision that spring and all through the summer, said, look, babe, I'm going to, told my wife, said, I'm going to run this company and do as much as I can to make this work. We don't really need any money. So I don't, I don't need income cause we have money coming in, but August, you know, that's the cliff. So if I don't have anything happen between now and then,

I will go get a real job. I'll work at Lowe's. I'll work at Home Depot or get Starbucks. I don't know. Whatever. I'll just make some money to help pay the bills. Well, on August the 12th, three days before myself imposed deadline, I got on the elevator at a regional hospital road to the third floor conference room and made the pitch of a lifetime. And it was an led lighting project where we were going to swap out all the retrofit, all of their lighting in the whole hospital to led. And it was going to save them like $280,000 a year in energy costs.

And, the guy, this is a funny story. So the guy who was the chief, well, the CFO was there, but the guy who was the main facility guy looks across me, he stops me about two thirds way through my presentation. And he says, can I ask you a question? said, yeah, sure. He said, has anybody ever told you? No. Now the reality was, this is my first pitch. So the true answer is no, nobody's ever told me now. So that's what I told him.

I said, no sir. Nobody's ever told me, no, I didn't tell him that nobody I never asked before, but I said, nobody's ever told me no. And then he looked at me again. He said, well, why wouldn't I do this? I mean, it really didn't make any sense not to do it because he was going to save more money than it was going to cost to do it. And I said, I don't know. Why wouldn't you do it? And then he looked at the CFO who was sitting at the other end of the table and then he looked back at me and he said, do you trust these guys? And so there's me and my business partner sitting here at the table. You know, we're green. don't, it's obvious.

We kind of know we're talking about, but we're not a hundred percent. And then the CFO says, yeah, I trust them. And he said, write the man a check. So the guy, the guy before we left that day wrote me an 18,000 hour check as a, as a deposit to get started on some preliminary work. But that project Christian turned out to be a $2.3 million project over the course of the next three years. That's how I got into entrepreneurship. And that is a true story.

Christian
Amazing. I love that. ⁓ That's a great story. love that. So tell us a little bit more about you being, you know, America's exit coach. Like how can people think a little bit more of their business as they actually want to exit it? Because a lot of times people start something out of their passion because they love it so much, but they never really think about the exit because it's like far away or I love it so much. I don't even want to exit. Like, but like

Tell us more about that philosophy around that exit strategy or even...

Jason Duncan
In 20, um, I think it was 2016, 2017, I hired a business coach for the very first time and um, you know, the company was doing fairly well. We had, we'd, we'd cracked multi-millions in revenue and we had decent net, you know, net profit.

And then it was in 2018 when we cracked a million dollars in EBITDA for the first time. And, uh, and so I didn't really enjoy the business. wasn't that I loathed it or hated it. It's just, just didn't enjoy it. I liked working with my employees. I liked, you know, most of my clients, um, you know, there wasn't anything wrong with it, but it was, I only did that because it was the thing at the time that I thought would work. LED lighting. Well, I didn't really,

particularly care for LED lighting. And I didn't, I didn't, I understood it better than 90 % of the people I knew, but I didn't really want to do that. I would much rather run a motorcycle dealership or car dealership or something that I enjoyed. And so I said to him, my business coach, and I told him, Hey man, I think I want to sell the company. What do you think? And he said, you can't. And I said, what do mean? We got a million dollars in profit. We're doing great. We got, I don't know, 15, 20 employees. We're working all over the country. Things are good. He goes,

The reason you want out is the same reason no one will want in. And he, it, it shook me because I thought, well, he's right. I mean, I didn't say he was right immediately because I disagreed with him, but, as I started thinking about it, nobody would want to have bought that because everything ran through me. I was the hub around which everything turned. And even though I wasn't doing the dailies, I wasn't selling necessarily, I wasn't running admin or finances, everything's still filtered back through me.

I was an owner manager. wasn't owner operator. I was an owner manager. And he said, nobody's going to pay you for that. Nobody's going to pay for that. They're going to give you such a discount that you would be better off just figuring another way. So I did figure another way. And that's where I wrote the book exit without exiting is I figured out how to get out of the daily operations without selling the company. And as I did that over the course of the next couple of years, it started working and I wasn't working daily in the business at all. And people started asking, Hey Jason, did you sell the company? Now I didn't. Well,

But what do you do every day? Well, I, I exited. Well, I thought you didn't exit. Well, I exited without exiting. And so that phrase just kind of came up over and over and over again. And people started asking, well, can you show me how to do that? Can you show me how to do that? So over time, you know, through the mistakes I made in that process, because, my exit worked until it didn't. And then I had some bad characters come in and did some things that, that I didn't see what they were doing. And the company, the company ended up, I ended up losing that company. Honestly, the truth is, but.

But as I went through that process and then starting and exiting some other companies in various levels of success, people kept asking me, well, how do you do it? Well, how do you make sure that you don't make the mistake that you made? How do you do these things? And so that just became the thing that people started asking me about. So today I consider myself America's exit coach. Am I the guy that's going to take you and go figure out how to get a multiple on private equity and do A, B and C, you know, the rounds and seed round? No, that.

But the average guy running a three to $50 million company in the U S if you want to learn how to get yourself out of the weeds of operations, build your multiple so that it goes up to a place that makes sense and then maybe set up a business to provide you passive income for the rest of your life. I can show you how to do that.

Christian
I love that. Wonderful. Yeah. Where can people learn more about that to like join a coaching mastermind or a group of yours?

Jason Duncan
The easiest place to do it would be just go to my website. The Exiter club.com. That's the Exiter. Ex I T E R club.com. And there's videos and information and testimonials that talk about who we are and what we do as a club. And then if that's interesting to you, you can book a call with me or one of my exit and growth advisors. And we can sit down and talk with you about what your situation is and then tell you how the club works. have six coaches in our program. So it's not just me. You're not just going to be talking to one guy. You're going to get a

an attorney, CPA, a wealth advisor, a mindset coach, an investment banker, all of these people are, you get access to them too, so that you can figure out how to build the value in your business and get yourself out of the owner operator or owner manager status.

Christian
Beautiful. do you ensure, because a lot of these businesses in that size, especially I think are still, again, tied to the founder's values, the culture of basically yourself, right? ⁓ How do you ensure that culture stays great or tied to what people, what clients are used to, what the company represents? How do you maintain authenticity?

Jason Duncan
You have to make sure that the foundation is built correctly. The foundation of anything is what makes it stand or what makes it fall. so building the culture of a company takes a lot of effort, takes a lot of intentionality. And as a, as a founder, you are the one in charge of the culture. You set the culture, you set the tone for the business. And I would say up until about 20 employees, not only do you set it, you control it.

And you can, because if you're actively in the business, you can start controlling once you get past 20 employees, even if you're actively in the business, the company starts taking on its own culture based on the foundation that has been created. So if you're a jerk, if you expect high, you know, you have high expectations and little patience for people. If you treat people as, as expendable, which I know people who do that, if those are the things you do as you grow,

the company grows and you step away, your managers are going to treat people the way you treated them. They're never going to exceed your ability. They're not going to exceed the way you treated them. So you have to build a foundation of culture the right way and then you can pull out. if you do that the right way, that's not to mean you won't have problems from time to time, but it's more likely to succeed than otherwise. I mean, you look at the culture of the huge companies today, the culture of Apple, the culture of Google, the culture of

Tesla or Amazon, know, the, big darlings of the entrepreneurial world, the culture and those companies has remained steady pretty much the whole time without the founders involvement. But that doesn't mean the founder didn't spend years and sleepless nights making sure that the foundation was built. And then you get other companies where the owner or the founder steps away and the company tanks. Well, that's because they built a bad foundation and they made it all about them and not about the company.

Christian
Beautiful. I love that. Can you tell us a story about like maybe a client that you had or somebody who ran through XOS or one of your past clients that just like, yeah, he was this guy. I think it's good to illustrate an example.

Jason Duncan
So one of the coolest stories we've had in a long time is we have a gentleman named Matt and he joined, joined the Exiter club not quite a year ago. And he, his company was already listed for sale with a broker and he wasn't getting any bites and nothing was moving. And he was, he was anxious to go ahead and get it sold. And he, he read my book. And so he reached out to me directly after reading my book and he said, Hey, read your book. I think you can help me. You know, here's my situation.

And I said, okay, well tell me, tell me why you want to sell right now. Cause why, know, why you want to sell as important as anything else. And said, well, I'm getting on a boat. bought a cabin on a boat that's going to be selling around the world for three years and we leave next August. And like what? Because yeah, that's, that's my deadline. I got to, got to figure this out. I said, well, look, I can't promise you anything. I doubt there's any way that we can figure out how to make, get your company retooled and marketable.

by August. It's just probably not possible. Now here's what's happened. He, after learning the exit without exiting methodology and the mindset and the XOS method, he decided to delist it, to pull it down. He said, look, I can run this from my laptop in a boat on the other side of the world and I could still make the money. I don't need to sell it. And when I get back off my tour, you know, the company's still going. I can step back in.

I can get it, you know, do whatever, and then I can sell it. But in the meantime, he can make money and not be present. He says, I don't really need to sell it. So he sent me a message on Saturday and said he was heading ⁓ from California to Tokyo and taking the bullet train to Hiroshima. And then he was hopping on, hopping on the boat. He's going to be gone. I'm like, this is the best, this is the best story ever. I love this, but that is an illustration of people come to me all the time to say, well, look, your exit coach.

I want you to help me exit the company. Okay. We can do that. We have investment bankers and M and A attorneys that we can get you set up and we could get you exiting, but more often than not, people say, well, well, why would I sell? If I, if I'm pulling in two, three, four, 500, maybe a million dollars a year personally out of this business, why sell it? If I can figure out how to make this thing run and I don't have to be here, that's passive income in the United States. There's, there are laws and tax laws to our advantage. If you're doing

less than 750 hours a year in that business. It's counted as passive income. And so if your business is thrown off a million dollars in passive income to you, mean, think about the tax savings where if you sold the company, you might have to give the government half of your money. So there are, you know, I'm not a tax tax advisor and that's not tax advice, but, there are ways that you can do this that most people don't think about.

Christian
Yeah, I love that. imagine all the, what's a good way to put this? The karma saved in a way. You know what mean? you help someone retain and stuff like just like a one-off big sell, whatever it is, but you help someone. He's probably, he's super happy he still has it. You know, he's going to serve him for many, many years to come. You know, it's like, it's great work.

Jason Duncan
Yeah. Absolutely. I love it. And this is why that's why I love it so much. I can't imagine doing anything else.

Christian
Beautiful. I love that. when people come to you, do they usually, like when you look at businesses across the board that you've advised and coached and guided, like what do they usually lack? Is it just systems or is it oftentimes it's system and culture that like what's across the board that you'd say, if somebody's there now, like make sure this is kind of it or make sure you're focus on the culture now versus in five, 10 years.

Jason Duncan
I think the, I think the thing that most people lack is the mindset required to step away from daily operations. Most entrepreneurs have the hero syndrome and that means they, they want to swoop in and save the day. They love being the one that people ask the questions to and they love being there to solve problems and being the hero. And that's awesome. At first you have to be the hero at first, but past six months or 12 months in the business, if you're still a hero, if you're a single point of failure,

Christian
Interesting.

Jason Duncan
You're like a perfect restaurant that only has one table. You cannot grow like that. It doesn't matter how good the ingredients, how good the food is, how good the service is. If your restaurant only has one table, you're limited to serving the amount of people that you can pay attention to at one table, which is not much. So when you're the one hero of the business, you limit the business's scalability by your ability to provide those services. So we've got to get your restaurant built with multiple tables. We got to have a

as many tables as possible. no single points of failure. And so the thing that most people lack is that mindset. And that's one thing we work on. That's why we have a mindset coach in our program is that we want people to think you don't have to be the hero. You cannot be the hero. You have to step back and let other people step into those roles and train them up to let them run the daily operations so that you can back away because the business for you should be an asset. It shouldn't be a job.

Christian
I love that. That's really, that's really great advice. And I think anybody who's listening can, you know, empathize with that, you know, because we've all been there. Like I feel like we are all entrepreneurs. We just start out at this one table that everything is just perfect. You know, like the glasses, the cutlery, the plates, the dishes, the ingredients, but then I, okay, what now? I want to grow, but I can't, right? Cause you haven't stepped out of this role, you know?

Jason Duncan
Right

Christian
Beautiful. Well, we're coming towards the end of the episode. I'd love to ask you some personal questions that I'm interested in regards to your inspiration and what keeps you going. So currently in your life, who or what inspires you most in your entrepreneurial journey?

Jason Duncan
I've never had one single mentor or hero that I admired, not in my ministry work, not in my teaching work, and not in my entrepreneurial career, and not even now as a coach. ⁓ But it's been a mix of really good coaches that I've had. I've got a great coach now that I work with, and he's been a very good mentor and advisor to me. I've got some good godly friends around me that help me through some good and bad times. And I had a friend call me today.

He's dealing with some pretty gnarly stuff personally and financially, and he just needed a year to, you know, an ear to bend and get some advice. And I've had people like that in my life when I've, when I've needed that and to make those good decisions. But, but if I had to name someone whose teachings have really shaped me, I would say that it would be Napoleon Hill, who was the author of Think and Grow Rich, the author of Outwitting the Devil. ⁓

You know, this guy studied for 20 years, some of the most successful people in the world and, try to figure out what made them tick. Now he himself was a flawed man, like any of us. And he didn't practice even the things that he taught a lot of times, but, but he had, he kinda, he was able to uncover and specify these are the things that make people successful. These habits, these mindsets. And so I I'm a big fan as a matter of fact, just over the last year,

I got my leadership certification from the Napoleon Hill Foundation. a big fan. I don't revere him as a guru or a saint, but I do admire the teachings. And of course it goes without saying that Jesus obviously is the greatest teacher ever. And without him and his guidance, I wouldn't be anything.

Christian
I love that. Someone who's also really interested in Napoleon Hinn is Russell Brunson from Click Posts. You know, like he went to the library or like where some of his old archives were, I think it's Arkansas or something like that.

Jason Duncan
Yes.

No, it's in - it's in Virginia and why is Virginia that says matter of fact, I was just there speaking at their national event ⁓ last month.

Christian
Wow. Yeah, I think it's fascinating, especially like there's so much like legacy that we just forget, especially like the younger generation. It's like, I don't know what was popular in 1920s and I do Florida Ernest Holmes, like stuff. just gets forgotten so easily, you know, because follow, I don't know, Mr. Beast and the school of pop. It's just like the younger guys, but there's like certain wisdom and succinctness that comes from, I think, and more.

Jason Duncan
Yeah.

Christian
ancient generation, you know?

Jason Duncan
Yeah. Agreed.

Agreed. I, I find myself reading books now and over the past three or four years that were written in the late 1800s and early 1900s than anything else. I think, I think we've lost a lot of the knowledge that these people were, that they were connected more deeply to

The way the world works and the way money works. you know, Florence Shen is a, as an author, she was a contemporary of Napoleon Hill wrote in the twenties. I don't know that they knew each other, but they lived about the same time. And she wrote on some of the same topics. And there's, there's other authors, ⁓ Wallace waddles who wrote the science of getting rich. You know, he had his, had his demons and issues, but he understood things that nother people don't understand or talk about. So I think that there's a lot.

of these ancient wisdom. I say ancient, they're not really ancient. They're only a little over a hundred years old, they really knew stuff that we didn't and we've lost it. Bob Proctor was really good at helping bring those things out and he passed away I think three or four years ago. we don't have a lot of people, Russell, I'm grateful for, but we don't have a lot of people who are being the bellwether to reach out and say, there's this knowledge, there's this library of knowledge of how the world works, how money works, how your mind works that we could tap into.

Christian
Yeah, beautiful. Well, thanks for sharing that. Last question. I would always I always ask people like, what's your vision of the new earth? Whatever that means to you.

Jason Duncan
You know, ⁓ my, my, you know, the, I believe about what's going to happen when the new heaven and the new earth come is that it's going to be everything that we wish it was. ⁓ but a lot of what we had no idea could never anticipate, you know, we say, well, I just wish there was no traffic. Okay. Well, there's not going to be any traffic. So that's gone, but, but there's so many more different layers of how good it is. I mean, just imagine.

If every person on earth actually follow the golden rule, regardless of who they believe God is or whatever, if they just follow the golden rule and said, look, I'm going to treat other people the way I want to be treated. How cool would this earth be? Like I wouldn't ever be in lawsuits. I would never fear somebody stealing from me. I wouldn't feel fear somebody talking bad about me behind my back. That's part of what I think the new earth is going to be is the, it's going to have great intent. We're always going to be kind. We're going to be nice. We're going to be forgiving.

We're going to give the benefit of the doubt. And I think it's going to be beautiful. It's going to have everything we wish it was and nothing that we don't like.

Christian
Yeah, I love that you painted that picture and I think, you know, are pretty basic, you know what mean? Like, and at the same time could be so much more sophisticated, right? But I think we sometimes get stuck in this like living in material world life, right? Especially your family and things like that. Like this is all great and good. But don't forget that we're all like connected, one to get like just

Jason Duncan
Yeah.

Christian
make it little bit more and more aware in your daily life, think is a great reminder and paints the same picture. if everybody would see each other, just like, hey, you're my brother, you're my sister. What kind of world would this be?

Jason Duncan
Agree. Yeah,

well, there's a there's a book. I can't remember the author. Let see if it's here on my desk. Don't see it immediately, but it's called Happy Pocket Full of Money.

Have you ever heard this book? know what I'm talking about? Somebody told me about it it sounds, obviously the title is much more about money than the actual book. The book really is very little about money. It's really about what you just talked about, Christian, about how we're all connected, that we're all one, and that when we understand and embrace that, that there's no barriers to what we can accomplish, whether it be the pursuit of wealth or generational wealth or anything else.

And it's pretty deep. ⁓ It's a pretty deep book. The hook is that's about money, but it really isn't about money. ⁓ but if you haven't read it, I think it would be something you would enjoy.

Christian
Beautiful. I appreciate that. I'm going to order it. It's funny because it's like in sales, give people what they want and get them what they need. It's like, yeah, sometimes you just have to get their mind hooked to something or actually give them like, ⁓ I never thought about it that way. So thanks for sharing that. Well, welcome. Thank you so much for being on the show. ⁓ Guys, check out the realJasonDuncan.com.

And anywhere else where people can stay in touch with you, social or mainly website.

Jason Duncan
Yeah, if you just look me up on anything, ChatGPT, Google, whatever, you just look up the real Jason Duncan, you're going to find me.

Christian
I love it. Awesome. Thank you so much for sharing your wisdom, sharing your heart with us today. And thanks for all you do and are.

Jason Duncan
Thank you, man.

Christian
Alright.