Pamela Downes: Spiritual Awakening, Channeling Higher Realms & Building Sacred Community | Ep47

Meet Pamela Downes, the Visionary Behind Spirit Calling.

Pamela founded Spirit Calling to help guide people through their spiritual awakening. The Spirit Calling online community offers classes and tools to heal the body, mind, and spirit. Members have access to practitioners who lead monthly calls and answer questions. With guidance from the Great Council of Light, they offer support to those on their spiritual journey. Join Spirit Calling today to connect with like-minded individuals and discover the power of community and divine guidance.

Pamela now has a TV show on the Ethereal network called Divine Wisdom, where she shares messages and updates from The Great Council of Light. Tune in at www.etherealtv.net. She also shares inspirational stories from people living their spirit’s call on her Live the Call show on the New Reality TV Network. Tune into at https://newrealitytv.com/

In this episode of the Successful Spiritualpreneur Podcast, Christian sits down with Pamela Downes—visionary founder of Spirit Calling and a powerful voice in the spiritual awakening movement. Pamela has guided thousands through the often chaotic, deeply personal path of awakening, creating a safe online community where seekers, sensitives, and spiritual entrepreneurs can find connection, clarity, and support.

This episode is a testament to the courage it takes to walk the spiritual path—and the miracles that unfold when you say yes to your soul.

Connect with Pamela Downes:

Follow on Instagram: @spiritcallingpamela

Visit the Spirit Calling community: https://www.spiritcalling.com

Watch Divine Wisdom on Ethereal TV: https://etherealtv.net/channel/SpiritCalling

Watch Live the Call on New Reality TV: https://newrealitytv.com

7-Day FREE Trial Offer: https://go.spirit-calling.com/sc-join-now

Explore Pamela’s links here: https://www.liinks.co/spirit.calling.pameladownes

Core Themes

• Spiritual Awakening & Conscious Evolution
• Ayahuasca and Plant Medicine Integration
• Channeling Higher Dimensional Beings
• Creating Community for Spiritual Entrepreneurs
• Divine Feminine Leadership in Business
• Light Language and Psychic Activation
• Integration After Spiritual Ceremonies
• Balancing Empathy, Creativity & Service
• Navigating Awakening Without Isolation
• Love as the Intelligence of the Universe

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Transcript

Christian
What's up, beautiful people? This is Christian from the successful Spiritualpreneur Podcast. And today I'm super excited to have Pamela Downes on the show and she's the visionary behind Spirit Calling. Pamela founded Spirit Calling to help guide people through their spiritual awakening. The Spirit Calling online community offers classes and tools that heal the body, mind and spirit. Members have access to practitioners who lead monthly calls and answer questions.

and with guidance from the Great Council of Light, they offer support to those on their spiritual journey. Pamela also has a TV show on the ethereal network called Divine Wisdom, where she shares messages and updates from the Great Council of Light. You can tune into that at etherealtv.net. And she also shares inspirational stories from people living their spirit's call on their life on her live the call show, on the new reality TV network. can tune into that at newrealitytv.com. Welcome to the show Pamela.

Pamela Downes
thank you so much for having me. Yeah, I'm doing a lot. It sounds like I'm pretty busy girl, huh?

Christian
Yeah, well, it's something that I continue to observe with guests here on the show is like we are also multifaceted and especially us, I guess, who are spiritual evolved in many ways, would say, refined in many ways. We've oftentimes found a way to express ourselves in multiple avenues, right? Because we just felt or...

You know, just couldn't just do one thing for 30 years and go into a corporate setting and be that, you know, so it's really cool that you are doing so many things, you know.

Pamela Downes
Yeah, I've been doing so many things for such a long time that if I had to just had the brakes on like, and like stop doing so many things, I don't know what I would do because I'm so used to it. I actually just had this conversation this morning with my friend. said, remember when we had time to just sit and paint or play music or garden, like my mind is occupied, my days are occupied, my creativity is occupied with

creating new ways of communicating or new things to help people or new ways to be creative in my spiritual journey. But that's why we're here. Like you said, we're creators. And when we have such a strong vision and when you start to help people, it just fuels it and fuels it and fuels it. So it drives that engine even more, right? It makes you want to bring more to the world and we thrive on that.

Christian
Yeah.

Pamela Downes
And because that energy is so high frequency, it feels good, you know, and you're bringing something wonderful to people that need it. And when you see it serve them and you see their lives change, it's, there's nothing better than that. It's amazing.

Christian
I know. Yeah, it's really

fulfilling seeing your impact in the world. yeah, again, being able to do that on so many levels, I feel is very exciting. You know, you have a branding agency, messaging agency too. I have one too, right? And so I have a tea brand, it's like, how can we create and like realize ourselves and kind of grow our tree in this world and be...

Pamela Downes
Yeah.

It's so cool.

Christian
fully self-realized to whatever capacity that means.

Pamela Downes
Yeah,

without depleting ourselves. You know, there's a balance there. I joke about like when I had time to paint or when I had time to do music, but my beloved always says, you have to make that time. You have to schedule that time just like you would schedule anything else. And they're the moments that feed you because you're so busy feeding others or feeding your creativity in other ways.

It's also, connects you to the divine. It's almost like a straight plugin to spirit, know, to recharge you, to allow your mind to be free, to satisfy all the things that you need. And it's a juggling act. I was at an event last evening for my marketing writing communications firm. It was a women's event. you know, I sat, I am the kind of person who has to sit in the front row because I want to see everything and I want to feel close to the people.

I was listening to this panel of women from all different ages and spaces talking and answering questions. And one of them was about work-life balance. And one of the women answered and said, don't describe it as work-life balance. I describe it as integration because it is the same. I am one, like it is all a part of me. And I just thought that was so cool because she was a young woman too. She was a very young woman. So was like, isn't she wise?

you know, to be able to really feel and tap into what that meant for her and her individual experience. So often we do get into cycles where we become busy, we become depleted, we become overwhelmed, not just with our life, with our own energy, but from others. You know, people like you and I are creatives. We tap into that empathic state all the time.

So we feel people, we were able to empathize with them and their situation, but we also like feel what they feel. And we have to, that's like even more of a reason for us to tap out because we're constantly tapping in, tapping in, tapping in. But the journey of entrepreneur, the journey of spiritual entrepreneur, they're not easy journeys. You you have to have a certain...

I don't know, you have to a certain energetic conviction inside of you to even be in the space of entrepreneur. Don't you agree? Special kind of person, yeah.

Christian
Yeah, I agree.

And it kind of ties in with what that young woman said with the work-life balance. feel like 20, 30 years ago, it was work, it was life, or outside of work. You know what I mean? And I feel like these timelines are all converging now, and younger generations...

Pamela Downes
Yeah.

Christian
they wouldn't even want to do work that's not aligned with them anymore. So that's why the separation of work-life doesn't make sense because it's one anyways. yeah, feel if the more we're going in the direction of like people evolving and waking up, the more we find that there's less of a gap in between.

Pamela Downes
Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Yep. I love that.

Yeah,

makes sense. Absolutely. I never thought about it that because the generations are so different. We were born to push hard, my generation anyway, I'm a Gen X. We were born to push hard. We were the generation whose parents were at work and we were very independent. We had the keys to get into the house and take care of ourselves when our parents were working. And we were the ones who were totally toughened up and figured out yourself and

know, come home for dinner and you're fine, you know, those sorts of things. And we were fine with that. We were great with that. But it was our parents before us that had all of those, you know, like you said, the work-life balance. had this different, I'm trying to find the right word, this line between those two things. And, you know, some of them, some of the women didn't work. So there was

their lives were all occupied with their spouse and making sure that they were supported. And like, it's interesting, right? To watch everything evolve through the generations. I have two young daughters who are so different. One's 22 and a half and one is going to be 19. One's traveling the world right now. She's in Australia and then she went to Bali for a couple of days and she can't wait to meet people. And she wants to, you know, expand her consciousness. She's so young.

And the other one is a home nester and she wants to create and bake and cook and just be with her little family. So we're all so different. We're all so different, yeah.

Christian
Yeah,

I know. And everybody plays their role in the Ascension so beautifully. So let me ask you this. Why would someone pursue spiritual awakening? You know what mean? mean, apart from the fact that it happens anyways, no matter who you are. But why would somebody...

Pamela Downes
Mm-hmm. Yes.

Mm-hmm.

Right. That was my answer, Christian.

Christian
with more intention go after like after that like why like what are the

Pamela Downes
Yeah.

feel

like I can speak to my journey, which when I speak with people, they often see themselves in my story. So, you know, this does connect outward to the world, but, you know, we all are spiritual beings having a physical experience on planet Earth, occupying this body. And we came here to have experiences, to learn love, right? And some of us have

had many, many, many, many lifetimes and we've had opportunities to learn and grow and expand our soul body and our consciousness and others have not. And so those who are on the journey longer maybe might stumble into their spiritual awakening journey, may might be born just opened and you know, there's so many different ways to play that out. But we have experiences. I called mine my knockdown.

you know, someone might have a near-death experience. Someone might just wake up one day and see the world in a different way. Like we have moments, moments is the better word, where there's a shift. Then that creates a desire and a yearning. And where there's a desire, then there's energy. Then energy gets casted out because you are a creator. And so that energy then starts to work like a fishing line to pull things towards you.

And so you'll get what it is you're putting out. So if you're interested in learning about spirituality, you're gonna start having experiences, good or bad or whatever, to help you grow and gain more knowledge, see what resonates with you, what doesn't, which is creating that picture of who you are, which is creating your spiritual awakening journey, which is also creating your healing journey. And I think, you know, it's not about why, why they would, it's almost like how, how, sort of, right? Does that make sense?

Christian
Hmm.

Yeah.

Pamela Downes
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yeah, cause I was not as I wasn't, I wasn't spiritual. I didn't, I wouldn't say that about myself.

Christian
Yeah, I feel like it comes back

to like, at least I think I see a lot of things in life through that lens. like, what is the equilibrium of this? Like what's the yin and yang of this conversation? What's the yin and yang of this business project of this, you know, anything in life, right? And if you're able to tune or find out more of that balance, you might be like a super successful entrepreneur just in form.

Pamela Downes
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Christian
But then you

Pamela Downes
Mm-hmm.

Christian
of neglected maybe the spirit or the body side and you will notice that. So then your reality or yourself, you will automatically manifest a situation where you need to focus more on body spirit because you focus so much on form. So I think...

Pamela Downes
Mm, yes. Mm-hmm.

Christian
Learning where that balance point is for everyone is kind of like the most fascinating life quest, you know, because it changes life too, right? Sometimes you have kids, you know, that has an energetic impact on your life. Like, you don't want to be like the adventurer or maybe you want to, but you just can't because you also want to be there for your child. You know what I mean? So it's like constantly adjusting that balance point and seeing where, where do I

Pamela Downes
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Christian
like want more because again if you're just like lacking the spiritual side for too long for too many years you just there's something you can't break through right versus and at the same time if you just are being a hippie and super spiritual group but you don't you don't do anything or little things in form you're not able to ground and bring things down into the world to manifest them to make them tangible in a way that you want to.

Pamela Downes
Yes.

Yeah.

And everyone's journey, like you said, is absolutely unique. So me having been an entrepreneur since 1999 or 2000, it's a very long time. I know a lot of people have had a lot of experiences and I see a lot of visionary entrepreneurs that may be spiritual or not. You know, everyone is here for their own unique journey. So for instance, one of my very best friends, she doesn't...

She doesn't live in the spiritual space. She doesn't, she meditates. I don't know that she's gone further than that. I think she may have done an Akashic record session once, but me having this like larger view of the world and understanding who she is, she's a super manifester, a super connector, a super creator, and people are magnetized to her. She stands on stages and they just want to be near her. And she has,

very, very strongly learned the art of manifestation and law of attraction. So like everyone sits in their own space. So she knows how to do that, but there's no desire really to go further. There's no deep dive into plant medicine or not that it's wrong or right, but I'm just saying like, there's like a, there's a place that she's has gone to and that's really amazing for her. She may or may not move forward. And if you could look at some, know, some, everyone comes with a soul imprint.

with a whole bag of tricks, a whole bunch of talents and experiences, trauma, different things that we've experienced in this lifetime and other lifetimes. One of those things might be that you're super healthy relationship with money and abundance. So you might have super, super wealth. You might have very, very successful businesses, but you might not really understand how to have successful experiences with love in relationships.

or something like that. So it's like everyone has this unique experience, this unique journey, and they may or may not ever learn certain things. And that's okay because guess what? We come back to do them again and have the opportunity to learn more about ourselves. Yeah.

Christian
Yeah.

And so what would you say is your mission behind Spirit Calling?

Pamela Downes
That's such a good question. Thank you for asking. Through Spirit Calling, which was a download that I received from my guides. Didn't know that that's what was happening at the time, but I had a vision in middle of the night and I heard Spirit Calling. Spirit Calling, I got up and I wrote down the domain name or the URL. In the morning, I bought the website. I just tucked it away and forgot about it. Didn't think about it.

And I was waking up to all of my clear senses. I was starting to have visions. I was starting to get downloads, receive messages, have connections with deceased loved ones. And in my meditation, I was connecting with my guides who I work with now frequently. I heard you are to build a portal for humankind. There's going to be series of events that happen and people are going to need a safe place to land on their spiritual awakening journey where they can feel like they can share what they're experiencing.

It's, they can talk about whatever it is that they have questions about and not feel judged. And so at the end of about a year's time, I had another vision. I saw this little, this little icon of wings fly down and land on a phone. And in my mind, because I'm a marketer, I'm like, that's an app. I'm like, that's the logo. I'm like, that's spirit calling. was like, boom, boom, boom, boom. I suddenly had this understanding. It's the most beautiful place. It's filled with love.

The people that come and find us are so happy to be there because they've never experienced a place where they can just be themselves. Say, hey, listen, I've had this dream last night, or I'm starting to see colors on the peripheral of my eyes in meditation, or I'm starting to feel and understand the chakras. And someone might say, ⁓ I just had this experience. Let's meet in the chat room or let's talk offline. And like, it's a place for you to connect.

with others just like you. Because when I went through my spiritual awakening journey, I'm still on it, but when the beginning stages of it, I didn't have a community, I had a library, I would stumble onto this or stumble onto that. So the whole mission of Spirit Calling is to help shift the consciousness of the planet, to help bring in love into the digital space and to kind of counterbalance some of maybe

the other digital like AI and stuff like that, we are really a love consciousness, a love intelligence, you know, rather than an unconscious intelligence. So I always see it expanding. We have people from all over the world, but I see it just growing and growing and growing and growing because of the frequency that it's on. Yeah, me too.

Christian
Mm.

I love that. And

part of the reason why I decided to start my industry got love pixel was also because I saw that there's this feminine quality or just nurturing quality of love missing in this like very masculine space, which is technology, you know, like the web is all just like pixels and boxes. And while it's great and very functional, it lacks a certain softness, a certain human touch, right?

Pamela Downes
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Yes.

I agree.

Christian
I feel currently we live in an age where...

Like the feminine is really coming back online. And it's really beautiful to see that because it's been very male dominated for so long. And so, yeah, it's cool to see and it's an honor to have people like yourself, you know, leading that.

Pamela Downes
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Thank you. You know what I've also seen?

The identity of masculine and feminine is changing because femininity is a balance to masculinity. And when masculinity is sitting in a certain space of intention and love in the right way, it amplifies femininity. It's absolutely beautiful. And I've seeing that more because there's a different understanding to that that is love-based.

love driven rather than the agenda of pushing out a certain intention around that, if that makes sense, that dynamic. Yeah, so that's beautiful. I witnessed that yesterday also. I witnessed that young woman talking about that. And I thought that that was beautiful in itself because there's like a new understanding coming to the forefront and in business and in business too. And you're a part of that with Love Pixel.

Christian
Yeah,

yeah, it's beautiful. you know, in the ancient Mayan days, you know, the women, the women were the seers, the visionaries, know, and the men were the builders, you know, we were actually we were the ones who would bring that vision into the world like anchoring, you know.

Pamela Downes
Yeah, yes.

And that's a really important part. That's what my partner does for me. He's a strong, strong, strong anchor. And I'm like the balloons. He's like holding the strings and I'm like flying all around, you know? And I think it's necessary.

Christian
You need both, you know? And

how many years ago did you start to channel or did you... When was that?

Pamela Downes
Very good question. I was tapping into, channeling is receiving information from other dimensions. And I was receiving visions and like small connections with deceased loved ones. I was seeing little visions of maybe like a situation or those sorts of things, answers to questions I may have had. I started hearing messages from deceased loved ones.

That's how that started, I would say 2017, 2018. And then in 2019 is when I did my plant medicine journey of ayahuasca. And doing that journey over the course of a week, we did multiple, multiple sessions of it each night. So I did it many, many times. And the reason I say that is because each time I did it, I

had a different experience where I was releasing trauma or gaining understanding and putting pieces together, clearing energy from my daughter in this lifetime from a past life of mine that got passed to her. Like incredible things happened over the course of these four days. But I kept on with each session where I was healing. My energy body, my soul body was retrieving fragments that had been kind of taken from it.

Like a doll, if you think about those dolls, those Russian dolls, they break. You're putting the pieces back together. You're forming and you're completing and you're healing your energy body. So with each realization, each trauma that was, or even death that was relived and released, I was elevating my frequency of my soul body. And my body was heightening. My frequency was heightening. After I was done that class,

and we were eating vegan and we were in the jungle, know, all the things amplifying that. At the end of that week long journey, we did a breath work class, which is much like the Kundalini yoga where you're like breathing in and you're getting yourself into this heightened state of being. And I had this white light just come through my whole body, through my third eye, through my whole body. My body filled up.

My teeth were chattering, I could feel this in the back of my head. I felt low frequency at 100%, just permeating my entire being. And I heard, your psychic abilities have been enhanced, everything from this moment forward will be different. And I was out of breath and I was crying and I was saying, thank you, God. And they passed around a microphone to ask everyone what their experience was like. And I couldn't even talk. I went home.

Back to concrete jungle in my home outside of Philadelphia. Right, welcome back to the matrix. And it was like, what am I doing? How do I live here? How do I, integration is a passion of mine. There's gonna be a lot of work in my future to support integration. I just had a meeting with someone yesterday who it's a shared thing. I think we might partner, but.

Christian
Welcome back to the Matrix!

Pamela Downes
I had this just longing and this knowing that I should sit every morning with intention and just kind of like connect. I don't know why I was receiving guidance to do it. guess I don't know why, but shortly after that COVID came, so the whole world closed down and I had been having this bank of time. My business was different. We had more time in the morning. So every morning I sat and I would say,

This is what I say when I work with people. sit with intention. I sit with my heart open and say, I am here. I am open. I I just hire to connect. I desire to work together. You know, let's do this thing. It's not like, you know, I want you to show me this or show me a feather or show me a ring, but you know, all the things is I am here to collaborate, to co-create. And I just sat, I started doing.

the same things I was doing when I was with the plant medicine. This amazing group of feminine angelic beings would start to come in and I would just feel their energy. So that light bolt, that experience happened for me to show me the highest state of frequency there is. That's a lesson. That's an experience. We talked about in the very beginning of the podcast. It's something that goes, you cannot walk away from.

It's so profound, you understand it. As I was working with these divine feminine energies who were very buoyant and light, effervescent and floaty and beautiful, every time they came in, I knew that I was about to go through a past life death again. They will come in and sort of hold the space for me. And so I went through multiple, multiple, multiple past life deaths, like hangings, water tortures, being burned.

being drowned, like having my neck manipulate in so many different ways. I had to experience it. It was physical. I have them recorded. I wrote about them every day. You know, like it was exhausting. So after I went to the actual physicality of it, I'd have to express the emotions and the sorrow around it. And I would release and then my vibration would rise. So I did that for many, many months.

where I got to the point where one day this light language came in through the back of my head and I started speaking this light language. And that was the beginning of them, the guides that I channel now, being able to connect with me because my frequency heightened and the first transference of energy and information came, which was so cool.

And then you're like, I want to do that again. I want to do that again. You know, I want to, I want to do more. Excuse me. I want to do more. And they started not only channeling them, ⁓ raw and thought came through in the very beginning, very, very, very, very, very strong energies. And then I had to like learn lower frequencies and I had to learn other lower dimensional beings. I would feel them. would, I could see them and I would draw them and sketch them.

because I'm an artist. And then I would also be able to speak their language and kind of take on their physicality sort of. So it was fascinating. And I also had experiences with extremely dark entities and dark beings because I had to learn that. I had to learn because I had to have that whole experience to know what I'm dealing with. It was education. It was my process of learning where I am now and I'm still learning.

I'm about to step into, spirit keeps teeing up what's next and they've told me I'm going to do a healing. I never said I aspired to be a healer, but they've told me that that's what's next, instantaneous healing. And I'm like, are you, I mean, are you serious? What does that mean? That's a very intimidating thing to be able to say. And now I'm meeting people that are doing this sort of thing. They're coming to me. So when they come to me and they're teed up in front of me, it's

time for me to do discovery, just like it was time for me to go to do the plant mess and just like it was time for me to do this and then the next thing. So I'm curious to see where that leads me and then we'll talk again one day and you'll be like, so what are you doing? Because that is the spiritual awakening journey. When you really dive into the deep end and just say, I'm here, I want to discover it all.

Christian
It's so beautiful.

What a vast, incredible, never-ending landscape.

Pamela Downes
Right, yeah. And it's not all

rainbows and sunshine though. Like I want you to know and everyone should know. Like people think that you're like this happy rainbow unicorn flying around and living your spiritual life and your journey, your spiritual awakening journey. It's hard work. You get the opportunity every single day, every single decision of your life, every single moment of your life to show up in love or fear. And it's our human experience.

to try to push through the fear towards the love, to make our life better, to make our understanding better, to have better experiences, but it's not always easy. So when you start doing that, you're making those choices. It could be simple choices. Do I want to spend time with her or him? Okay, good. I see that the benefit of the better choice is on the other side of that. I'm going to do that again. When you start even more,

committedly moving into your spiritual awakening. Those choices, they get harder. So it's, I wanna stay in this relationship? Is it serving me? Is it fulfilling me? Is it draining me? Or do I want higher and better? Even if you don't have the higher and better, you still have to make the choice. I want higher and better, because when you say, I want higher and better, you can walk away from this, but then the universe is gonna give you two more options.

Do I want higher and better? Show me. Show me you want higher and better. And then you've got to do the higher and better choice. Not the carrot that gets tangled in front of you. Not the one that's more familiar and comfortable. You've got to push through to get the higher and better. So then it turns into, I want to do this work anymore? Then it turns into like, if you have a fear of money, you've got to make the choices, buy the things, get the tickets.

even if they're expensive, it's like pushing through, pushing through. And I'm still doing that now. I mean, like I just said, so it's an evolution. It's not a finish line.

Christian
It never stops, there's always like a next level, you know, it's like the level never really get easy, you just get more skillful, you know what I mean? It's funny how life is, you know? Like, so I did my first ayahuasca journey last year and to be honest, was not nothing bad happening in my life.

Pamela Downes
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Right. Right. Exactly right. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Mmm.

Christian
You know, it's like I'm ready for it. was calling me for a couple, for years before that already. And then I went to Ecuador. It was very beautifully led by you. It was even a women's shaman. Like it was very feminine, like kind of soft energy, which I really like was drawn to. Um, and it's very interesting because, so we had two, sittings on that, uh, on that retreat. That was also a week long. And the first.

Pamela Downes
No.

Christian
The first sitting, I couldn't quite connect. There was no visuals. It was just talking to the plant medicine because when you do it for the first time, there's certain things that you want to purify and things like that. the biggest takeaway or the biggest insight from that first night was just like, when I was talking to Mother Aya, said, wow, Christian, you're living your best life. Why are you here?

Pamela Downes
Yes.

Christian
And I was like, why am I here? You know what mean? It was very odd.

Why am I here? And then the second experience I had was very visual, like, mean, what you see there, it's just so hard to describe if you don't have had the experience.

just indescribable beauty and you know all that which was good like very grateful for that experience you know like it's so hard to express in words like what you experience and then the funny thing is what happened in between the days that we were not having a sitting or a session so it's very funny because there was this girl and I kind of connected with her

Pamela Downes
Yeah.

Christian
outside of you know not doing the ayahuasca but like you know we got very close you know we were like cuddling now it's a little tricky you know because i'm married i have a child right like i had to make sure where to draw the line you know

Pamela Downes
Great. Yeah.

Christian
And it was very interesting because on the last day, so Saturday to Sunday, Sunday was the last day, last session was on Friday, it's like from Friday night to Saturday morning. And from Saturday night to Sunday night, we're like, why don't we just like sleep together and cuddle, which that was a dangerous decision. And like, I knew, like we didn't have sex, but like there was a line crossed and I felt it, you know.

And so it's interesting how I went to this Ayurvaska experience to, I don't for this, for me to, for this to come up, right. And then also for me to discuss that with my wife, right. And then being confronted with decision, as you said, well, what do you want to do? You know, you want to get divorced because anything's possible, you know, especially when you like have the Ayurvaska states. That's why they say, know,

Pamela Downes
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, absolutely.

Hmm?

Christian
want to integrate, don't make any big life decisions a month after and things like that because it kind of like the best way to describe for someone who has an experience, I know it's like just get taken out of your body a lot or you know it's just like you just it's like there's less identification like who's Christian yeah I have a child and run a business and this and that it's just like I'm the spirit anything's possible you know so

Pamela Downes
Yep.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah,

yeah, you just are. And very interesting what you just said because your first experience was your life is beautiful and you have everything you wanted, right? And then the second one was a connection to all that is and more beauty in a way that you can't see or identify with in your three-dimensional reality.

Christian
Yeah

Yeah.

Pamela Downes
So then the next thing was all of that could go away. You know, your beautiful life, all of that could go away. Like it was nothing, it was actually a lot. And you were in a space of just love, but your person that was just there didn't cross that line. But your spiritual being was just completely unsaturated.

in love, frequency, in love. So there wasn't a line there. Do know what I mean? Because that's a three-dimensional human statement and human experience. So you, it's right, I mean, really, truly, it's really fascinating. It's very fascinating. Yeah. There's no lines. No, correct. Yeah. And you were there to see all of that.

Christian
It's a human concept, Because in spirit, anything is possible. There's no borders.

Pamela Downes
It's interesting. I'm probably gonna think about this all day too. I'll be like texting you more insight as I get it. But yeah, it's absolutely beautiful. It is.

Christian
I thought it was so fascinating. I went

to this Ayahuasca retreat to not only support a friend because she was the organizer of it, but say, let me support this incredible beautiful mission that she has put out. She's half Ecuadorian, grew up in the States, and then went back to Ecuador to live in Ecuador, to start this Ayahuasca center. If you just see what people do out there, healing that happens, everything is just... I just want to support her and be there and of course experience the medicine.

And it was so gracious to be there and with the people and I mean just like what people go through the things that they heal and yeah, it's such an honor.

Pamela Downes
Yeah, and your intention

was just to be there in love and support of your friend. So this is fascinating, because so many times people go to heal addiction, to heal abuse, to heal things that are riddling and just kind of controlling them and their decision and making them small. And so many people uncover, I had a conversation yesterday with the guy who was just telling you about it. He was molested as a child.

Christian
Yeah

Pamela Downes
by his uncle. And the whole understanding of it was revealed. Forgiveness was given. All kinds of things happen. I mean, it's fascinating what this medicine can do. And these, when I used to tell people about ayahuasca, it's the stem or the root of one plant. How many millions of species of plants are in this jungle? It's the root of one and the leaf of another.

That intelligence speaks to the shamans. It's ritualistic. It's generational. It's a part of Mother Earth. It speaks to the shaman. They sing to the plants when they go and take them. They sing, and the rituals of making the stew, there's so much respect and honor for every second of it. And that's love.

because they understand what it can do. They understand how it can help in this three-dimensional reality.

Christian
That's not incredible. Anyone who also like his sort of facilitator, I just have so much respect because we have all the space, there's all kinds of things happening. And when you start out, usually you're not just the one, yeah, I'm going to create a pretty website and people are to come. like, you are probably there with people, you know?

Pamela Downes
Mm-hmm.

So do

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Christian
purifying with people healing with people blessing you just like mm-hmm like that there was a sound that like they both like my friend and the shaman made all the time because they were both like like women and you know sometimes they come around is like are you feeling of them and all they said was just like

Pamela Downes
Right.

Christian
Like,

there's no comment, there's no conversation, just like understanding, like just that mm-hmm of like being heard and being, it's so like, it's almost like you being like cradled in your mother's womb, be like mm-hmm.

Pamela Downes
Yeah, and also

the shamans, they ingest a little bit of it. So the facilitators have to drink the medicine to be in the energy avaya so that they are able to see what you're experiencing. They're able to see it. There was one moment when my mom and I have a tough relationship, we have, and there was one moment where they showed me situations in my mother's life. They showed me circumstances. They told me,

Christian
Yes.

Pamela Downes
her innermost sadness, and I had this extreme understanding and empathy for her, and I was broken, wide open. I was crying. I was saying, didn't know. Like, had this, the shaman and the shaman helpers came over to me and they held me and they knew exactly what I was going through. Like, they were easing my pain and they were,

You know, they knew it was my mother. Like, it was incredible. It was incredible. And I just remembered another moment at the end of, before the breath work, the last night, they were talking to me. I was having realizations and there was one moment when they said, get up and dance. And I mean, I'm in a room filled with, there were 40 people. I'm in a room and there's shamans and shaman helpers all, they're very present and watching everything. I'm up and I'm dancing and I'm like giving thanks and I'm like,

saying thank you God and like all the stuff that I mean I was in the moment that was this was everything you know I needed to be in the space of gratitude and extreme gratitude and love and ⁓ it's all purposeful because that heightened my frequency you know it's just so cool it's really really cool

Christian
Yeah. It was

really funny too. Like I tell you another little anecdote of my Ayosca trip there. It was really funny because at some point, you like there's after certain hours and you kind of come down of like, you know, the brew and then they offer you another brew. And then it was like this end of the first phase. And I just felt or the second, can't even remember.

And I felt like, okay, now it's time to just get up and sit in the middle of the room and I kind of light my candle. And then I just like visualized these golden flowers that I dispersed to the room. And you could feel the whole room was like, you know, just like breathing in this like flower soft suit. know, it's so incredible. Like even I was like for that minute, I was like facilitating the room. It was hilarious. Like I was like.

Pamela Downes
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Christian
I was like, I must have been a shaman in the past lifetime or something because I even like, and then

Pamela Downes
You have a lovely frequency.

Christian
I went outside. Um, cause part of my intention a little bit was also like, I want to like learn how to channel, you know what I mean? want to like angels and you know, like, I actually, I actually met an angel and um,

Pamela Downes
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Christian
He said, but it was, was, it was another angel. Cause I wanted to talk to it or change your Europe. didn't show up. He's like, well, they show up if you really need them, not just for fun. Yeah. That was basically that I like, don't try, don't play. It was very playful energy. And then after that flower dispersing and went outside and outside is usually like a fire. And, um,

I saw the fire just like dying out because the fire is with, it goes with the ceremony, right? It's just like, it does a lot of energy happening and people at their high point, the fire is burning usually a lot and then comes down the fire also. it's, everything's connected, even the fire with the ceremony, especially the fire with the ceremony. And then I poked around a little bit in the fire. Like I think I put another log, like, this thing's gonna go out. Like no one's looking at me. And then my friend told me, you're not supposed to do that. You know, you're not the shaman, you're not the facilitator.

Pamela Downes
Mm-hmm.

Christian
You know, like, this is very sacred space, like you can't just play with the fire. And you know, I apologized and said, yeah, I won't do it again. But it was so funny. Like I behaved as if I was like half participant, half team. was hilarious. And it was so, yeah, it's like being in that space and yeah.

Pamela Downes
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Yeah, well you were in wonderment. You were just in the moment. You just were in the moment. Yeah.

Yeah, you're

making me remember things. it's, I forgot about this one moment too. I was very, very fearful. I knew I was supposed to do ayahuasca and I knew it was at the place because the way it all teed up for me. But I was scared to death of it. That's because I had a lot of fear that needed to be released for me to be able to do what I needed to do to heighten my frequency to the whole story I just told you.

But I drank my first cup and I was fighting it and sitting up and not wanting to fall asleep and letting myself succumb to it. And I kept saying, me easy and happy. I can't remember what it was. And I found myself in this magical candy store with all these beautiful, wondrous, magical machines filled with colors and candies and like...

I didn't hear the music that would go with that, but I remember saying, thank you, thank you. They were communicating to me visually. And the first night was easy. They were gracious. It was gracious, the energy with me. And then the hard work started the next two nights and the last night. But it's a complete experience of surrender, complete surrender.

Christian
Yeah.

It's so incredibly fascinating. I also remember the second night I was like, you know, having the visions and everything. And I felt like also some like just dark energies come around that I didn't really want to look at, know, cause I'm it's my first time saying, I don't know if I'm going to go that hole. You know what mean? Yeah. I mean, you can go anywhere. You know, it's crazy. So.

Pamela Downes
Mm-hmm.

We're going to stay away from that.

Christian
Every time I was just, you know, I laying there and then in the back of my head it's like this stone walk. It was like a circular kind of ceremony space. And I just, felt the stones. It was like, I the support and it's like, everything's there with you and for you. then was like, when it gets like too scary for me, I said this one thing that I got off this one book. think...

I can't remember the name of the book. It was just some sort of like angel channeling book. And there's this one chant in there. It says, Nura, E Nura, E Nura Dai, which is kind of like calling in some sort of light angel frequency, whatever. And then every time it worked, you know, when I got scared, was like, it was incredible. And then more, more cheesemade, more details. So at some point.

Pamela Downes
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

It's amazing. Yeah.

Christian
Cause like I felt this like other girl, she was in the room too, right? We were four people and then the facilitators, she was in the room too. And then I felt her energy also like being part like around me in the ceremony, the second ceremony. Cause we already had connected by then, you understand? But I didn't really like want to have to do anything with her, if you understand, like, like in that way, you know, because I told her, I was like,

Pamela Downes
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Christian
I was like, you look like a wild ride. I don't know if I want to get on it. And everybody has a story and she has her baggage that comes with that, right? And so, yeah, I just remember that laying there and being like, yeah, no, don't want to like... No, thank you.

Pamela Downes
Yeah, I'm not going near that. There were

people that had wild, wild, wild rides. lot of, I mean, I remember being awake and not wanting to have another cup and seeing people in extreme circumstances having a really difficult time. But they were doing it themselves. know, the guides, the ceremony guides were all around to help them. But then the next morning you all sit around and have breakfast together and you hear about everybody's experiences.

And it's fascinating because everyone's so unique. Like we talked about, like their experience was purposeful for a certain reason. And so maybe it was trauma, maybe it was something that came up as a child, maybe it was alcoholism, maybe it was, who knows? But if you are fearful of something specific, that's what's gonna come up. That's what gets manifested.

This was cool. A lot of Alaska talk lately in my life. Maybe it's the beginning of the next calling. Who knows?

Christian
I know. Well, it's also,

it happened last year around the summer eclipse. So, you know, just, we just had the eclipse. like, maybe.

Pamela Downes
Mm-hmm.

We just had the eclipse, yeah. Everything

changes around the eclipse.

Christian
Yeah, well,

we're coming up towards the end of the episode. I was wondering, do you still want to channel feel ready? Good to bring. Yeah.

Pamela Downes
Yeah, I can channel a little message. Is there something

you want to know about?

Christian
Let's see.

I can ask a personal question. Yeah, we can try it. And if it doesn't flow, that's fine too. I would like to know what it is with me and Chameleon, very general.

Pamela Downes
Yeah, we can try.

okay. Okay. Let's see. And if you don't like it, you can cut it out. Yeah. Yes. There is an ability within every one of you to be able to connect to divinity and other worlds in different realms, to have the ability to channel information, to siphon energy to and from. If this is your intention, all you need to do is ask for that experience in your future and that will be for you.

Christian
no.

Pamela Downes
allowing it to be received, expressed from within your being. When you are in your creation mode, music, art, all of these things, you are indeed channeling. It is the experience of channeling, information coming from other realms, inspiration, writing, all of these things. It is indeed the act of channeling. Many times when you are in conversation or creation mode,

You channeling information from other realms, you higher guidance of yourself and other beings that are there to support you in your travel on your three-dimensional plane of reality. Indeed, if you desire more with beings that you intend to connect with, merely ask for the experience to be presented to you, for you will move forward each day in your life, moving forward to try to connect in that way.

It's merely that easy as you see. Isn't that cool?

Christian
Yeah.

Pamela Downes
That was cool.

Thank you for asking a question like that. Everyone's always asking me about the future and it's, these are nice things to talk about.

Christian
This is a time wave,

we don't know.

Pamela Downes
That was great. Thank you, Christian. Yeah, that was a good answer. I like that. Are you a musician? Do you play an instrument? Guitar? No?

Christian
Not too much. I

played piano when I was younger. I do love like, what I love, what I just like lose myself in is pottery.

Pamela Downes
Okay.

Yeah, okay, well that's car, that's is a tactile. I love pottery too. But so I saw music with you though. Yeah, and the clay.

Christian
put on music and do it at the pottery. It's like just me in the clay, the moisture, the feel. Is it too moist? Is it too dry? like just

like this communication with this thing in front of you is so present, know, it's really, beautiful.

Pamela Downes
Yeah, yeah.

I keep singing guitar for you. I don't know why since actually we started talking. maybe that's a new...

Christian
beautiful because I've

always wanted to. I came to the States and picked up the old guitar from my wife's brother. Never really got to, but yeah, think it'd be cool to.

Pamela Downes
No, I literally saw you in the beginning of the show with a guitar. And so when they talked about, I can't tell you everything they just said, but I think they talked about music. I saw the guitar. So that's probably in your future.

Christian
on that.

Pamela Downes
That's cool.

Get that guitar up. you're so welcome. This was awesome. I loved our conversation. And I hope, know, all these conversations, do serve their purpose, but there's always, you know, some person who needed to hear something about one piece of whatever it was we talked about and to help them make their life better, to bring some sort of resolve or understanding or maybe idea. Yeah.

Christian
I'm so excited. Yeah, thank you.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

Yeah. Yeah, it's always beautiful to share from the heart, you such an honor.

Pamela Downes
Mm hmm. Absolutely.

It was fun.

Christian
Well, thanks for being on Pamela. We'll link everything in the show notes.

Pamela Downes
you're welcome. You're welcome. Great. And

I just want to tell anybody like, if there's something that resonated with them about having community, because community is so important to come and check out our community. I always say if there's something inside of you that had like a whisper or a little switch felt like it turned on, like put energy behind

Christian
Beautiful. Thank you.